Their (Rick and Davids)events will be Jack qualifiers,but you are right no KCBS points.We had at one time I think 9 or 10 KCBS events in Arizona and then things changed and I have heard alot say they just want to BBQ,I agree,alot of us do,look at all the fun all the teams had at least weekends event,all who attended Springerville had a great time,with no trouble,no drama,nobody calling KCBS,nobody giving the organizer HUGE amounts of headaches and problems,it was fun,like it should be.There are a couple teams,and a couple of people that are actively trying to cause problems with events here in Az,there are several who can back this info up, and that needs to stop or things won't get better in the future I'm afraid.2013 will be scarce for KCBS contests in AZ,and thats sad,cause it was great at one time,but there will still be great contests and alot of great fun and BBQ to be had,just different.I like KCBS,IBCA,BCS,I have had great times at all 3,hopefully in the future there will be more,we have alot of great BBQ teams and BBQ people here in our state