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Thom Emery

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Guys as some of you know I am a IBCA Head Judge and was slated to do the Lake Pleasant event
But through my good fortune I met Don Wright who has family ties to AZ and was interested in doing the event also
Boys I would rather cook than judge any day But if my judging gets us another event then I will. So heres Don With his RV
and a desire to see IBCA Cook Offs in new areas. Well it took me about 10 min. to ask would he could he So Hes the Head Judge of our event.
I have been asked lots of questions that I didn't want to answer for Don. Some I could because they are clearly defined others not so.
Feel free ask him a question here
1 Whats this "cooked on  sauce deal?"
2 What are the rules for the Contractors Categories
3 Are we going to do two half chickens in the Box?
#1 - October 11, 2006, 03:37:09 pm
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Thom Emery

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Don is at the Traders Village Comp (IBCA Championship)
this weekend so he will get with us soon
Remember our Lake Pleasant GC and Category Winners will get invited to this next year
#2 - October 12, 2006, 06:01:52 am
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Mike (AZBarbeque)

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Man I really want to compete in this contest......  ;D
#3 - October 12, 2006, 07:08:10 am
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DonWright

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Thom and fellow cookers, this is going to be a grand event!
Thom, to answer your questions;
1     Cooked on sauce, please see the IBCA rules :( http://www.ibcabbq.org/2006IBCA/rules1.htm ) number 9 Judging Tray Contents. You can cook with sauce or marinades, however they must be cooked on. Once you pull the item from the pit and put into the turn in tray, the sauces or marinades are not to be added. The IBCA recognizes this as a meat contest, not a sauce contest. No running juices in the tray. It's really pretty simple, make sure the sauce is cooked on to the product. Also, the IBCA doesn't permit any garnish on the 3 meat categories. I will explain this in the cooks meeting and also will visit with the cookers on Friday night to give them a heads-up.

2.     The contractors division can be any meat entree other than the 3 meat categories, (no desserts). i.e. baby backs, chicken pieces (not half a chicken) turkey, steak, a lot of folks on an open do shrimp stuffed with jalapenos and wrapped with bacon, use your imagination and come up with something really unique and tasty. Enough so that based on 36 teams to have about 12 to 18 bites. Also on the open, garnish is permitted.

3.     We would only use 2 fully jointed half chickens if the event has 60+ teams. So one tray will suffice. Over 60+ teams would require 2 fully jointed chicken halves and we would use a metal turn in tray that would hold 2 chicken halves.

I hope this has cleared up some of your concerns and please let me know if you or the other cookers have any questions or thoughts that I may expand on.

Regards,
DonWright
#4 - October 18, 2006, 05:51:31 pm
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Don,glad to have you on the forum !!! I am not new at BBQ,but I am new to doing competitions.I will be there at Lake Pleasant,it will be a great event,Mike and Ryan are doing a FANTASTIC job on putting this all together ! This will be my first competition so maybe you could give us newbies some "personal" insight as to what,as a judge,you like to see,and taste in the turn -in boxes.I know ALL judges are different,but maybe you could humor me a little with your expertise ;D I am REALLY looking forward to meeting you,Thom,Ryan,and all others out here that I have not had the pleasure of meeting yet.Thanks for any and all insight you can "feed" a newbie in all of this !
#5 - October 18, 2006, 07:03:02 pm
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DonWright

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BBQCZAR,
BBQ Competition is a different setting than most other food competitions, it's more like a family gathering, if you will, however the word competition still comes in to play. There are several things to consider, first of all, you can't cook for yourself. At least, I can't, what I mean here is that you're cooking for a wide audience of taste judges and also to a regional taste. What you like yourself may not be the course of action for a particular area. Example, if your cooking in East Texas, those folks like their BBQ on the salty side, if you're in Northeast Texas it's heat with sweet. The list goes on and on. The best advice I can give you is; your product needs have a smoke taste but not overbearing, tender, moist, and pleasing to the palate. If you're not too far to the right or left with your spices, you will fare well. The bottom line, it's going to be the taste judges that decide your performance.

Remember that to win the Grand Champion is the result of your overall performance. This is based on a point total for the 3 meat categories. 10 Points is given to place one, 9 points to place two, and 8 points to place 3 and keeps going down to 10th place in each category. The cooker or team that has the most combined points will win the Grand and the next will be Reserve Grand.

I hope this somewhat helps, good luck!

Regards
Don
#6 - October 19, 2006, 07:42:41 am
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Mike (AZBarbeque)

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Great Summary Don,  Thanks for the insight.
#7 - October 19, 2006, 08:27:59 am
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BBQCZAR

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Yes,thank you for the infomation and insight Don,look forward to meeting at Lake Pleasant !
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Mike (AZBarbeque)

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Don, Big City BBQ hosted a class tonight for anyone who was entered into the Lake Pleasant Contest and several questions came up.  If you could post the answers, we would greatly appreciate them.

For the sauce and glaze, can this be heated on a stove top and then applied to the meat on the grill?

How many Ribs need to be turned in?

What kind of ribs and what kind of cut??

Can you spray apple juice or something else on the meat prior to turning it in?

How does the judging go for appearance?

Will the contestants know what place they got in each category?

Will the Contractor division be judged in any different manner?

I know there were more, but I am just not remembering them right now, hopefully the people there were there will post some more for you.

There was a lot of excitement for the event tonight and I know we are going to have a great, successful time out there.

Looking forward to meeting you Don and having a great contest.

Thanks...  ;)
#9 - October 20, 2006, 08:56:17 pm
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ron b

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1 thing stood out in my mind yardbird... how to turn in two  1/2's of a chicken do judges cut the peice they want or carve on site and turn in?
thx ron b
#10 - October 20, 2006, 09:19:03 pm
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DonWright

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Fellow BBQers

the sauce or glaze must be cooked on the product, if you heat the sauce or glaze and then pour it on the product, this is not cooked on. If you use this type of process, the sauce or glaze will be running or puddling in the container, which is not acceptable. Using sauce to cook with is fine and then glazing your product is really a simple process, just cook it on, not pour it on.  Remember, that this is a meat contest and not a sauce contest. If you can lightly touch the product with your finger and the sauce comes off, it's not cooked on.

Pork Spare Ribs will be the type of ribs to cook. Not baby backs or country style, PORK SPARE RIBS, these can be trimmed, like Kansas City Style, St. Louis Style, or not trimmed. The cookers should smoke whole racks and prior to turn in, cut them in to individual ribs and pick out the best 7 for turn in. Place them in the container, parallel to the box hinge, 5 on the bottom and 2 on the top all facing the same way, or 4 on the bottom and 3 on the top, if you can get all 7 on the bottom, that's ok too. The meat side should be facing upward and in the same direction.  I will explain this to all the cookers at the head cooks meeting.

Nothing is to be added to the product, once it comes off the pit. Again, meat contest, not a sauce contest. No juices, sauces, or apple juice puddling in the turn in container. No dipping the product in juices and then placing in the container. I will meet with all the head cooks, prior to the head cooks meeting to go over the requirements.

Appearance is a factor in the overall score of the product, however no garnish in the turn in tray or container.

The top 10 places in each category will be announced by ticket number and the head cook will come forward with their number to verify. All the containers will have a number that is taped whereby the judges can't see the number. At the awards, the number will be pulled from the tray and then revealed. I will also call the numbers of those who made the final table.

I certainly don't want to convey that the IBCA rules are overwhelming, on the contrary they are really quite simple. The cookers will really have a great experience with the IBCA format and when it's all said and done, will be ready for more cook-offs.

I hope this helps to ease some of the concerns.

It will be a fun and rewarding experience.

Don

Note to Ron;
I believe that you are only going to be turning in 1/2 of a fully jointed chicken, it's up to each individual judge as to where they want to cut a bite from, they will be using plastic ware and can only have one small bite, write down their score, they will then discard that knife and fork, pass the container to the next judge, get a clean knife and fork, and then go on to the next container.

If the cook-off generated more than 60 cookers then you would turn in 2  (1/2 fully jointed chickens), the first half would be used on all preliminary and semi final tables and the second one to be used only on the final table. This will be announced at the cook-off.
Regards,
Don
#11 - October 23, 2006, 06:41:55 pm
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BBQCZAR

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I am stumped about the chicken too.I am not sure 2, 1/2 of  chickens whole will fit into a 9" square box ?? I hope someone clears this up.
#12 - October 23, 2006, 06:43:32 pm
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DonWright

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Michael,
just a note, the contractors division will be judged by the same judging process, however since this is an open the rules for turn in are different. pretty much anything goes, sauces and garnish is ok, and remember, it must be an entree and not one of the 3 meat categories. The open (Contractors Division) is always fun and exciting, you just never know what's going to show up.
Regards
Don
#13 - October 23, 2006, 06:48:23 pm
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Only 1/2 chicken,ok ,I get it !
#14 - October 23, 2006, 06:48:58 pm
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Can someone go over the rules for the 'peoples choice " when will it be,what are the rules and what are the procedures .I know it was somewhat covered before,just wanting a review,Thanks !
#15 - October 23, 2006, 06:51:05 pm
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