Wow. They've pretty much said it all...Dan, Azwildcat, mentioned specifics regarding the "bend" test, that I've never seen before. Makes it repeatable. I have a UDS, and if I try to get anywhere close to 3-2-1, I'll have a bag of bones and pork mush. My ribs are done somewhere around 4 1/2 hours, with about 45 minutes to 1 1/2 hours in foil. So that works out to about 2.5-1-1 for me. In my drum. I haven't used the offset in so long, I wouldn't know how to start a fire in the thing!! I've considered finding out if I can get anything for it, but I'm going to use it as a store display instead!