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AZBarbeque Events => Upcoming Events => Topic started by: All Sauced Up on December 28, 2009, 11:21:44 am
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Does anybody have any information on the Smoke On The Water contest on May 21-22 at Phoenix International Speedway. It was listed on Pellet Envy's schedule for 2010. It sounds like a Ron Cates promoted contest.
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You got me. First I've heard of it.
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I sent Rod an e-mail asking, I will see what he comes back with. I know we are planning several events around that time, but nothing with this name or out at this location..
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This is part of the Nascar King of the Pit BBQ contests put on by Smoke on the Water Productions. They have been to a few racetracks and are planning more......with TONS of MONEY!!!!!
One of Ron's contests is the USA Barbecue Championship in Little Rock, Arkansas....offering $100,000 in prize money....$20,000 GC. Even 10th place overall pays $700. 1st place in each catagory is $4,000 and even pays $100 for 14th. Entry fee is $450.
"There's talks of creating another sanctioning body which will be created by the cooks for the cooks." This is a quote from Ron Cates.
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This is part of the Nascar King of the Pit BBQ contests put on by Smoke on the Water Productions. They have been to a few racetracks and are planning more......with TONS of MONEY!!!!!
One of Ron's contests is the USA Barbecue Championship in Little Rock, Arkansas....offering $100,000 in prize money....$20,000 GC. Even 10th place overall pays $700. 1st place in each catagory is $4,000 and even pays $100 for 14th. Entry fee is $450.
Rod said that the date may be incorrect. He said it was scheduled for the week of the Nascar race.
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Yea, I saw that, but even on their web site, they don't have anything listed in Phoenix. And our NASCAR Races are not in May here either.
We have been trying to get in touch with them for about a year now to get the AZ NASCAR events included on their tour, so that would be cool..
And yes, they do have some Big $$$ at their events..
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Rod said that the date may be incorrect. He said it was scheduled for the week of the Nascar race.
That would be April 8-10
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Rod said that the date may be incorrect. He said it was scheduled for the week of the Nascar race.
Well, hopefully they get in contact with us as we already have events scheduled for the weekends of Both NASCAR races here in Phoenix in 2010..
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Ouch, that's the Scottsdale contest. It would be hard to change the Nascar contest if it's in the works. In fact you couldn't...it's Nascar and IT'S BIG!!! :o
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True, but I couldn't imagine that they would come out and plan a contest without feeling out the local scene.
I sent them an e-mail and will wait to hear back from them.
Big Announcement planned for Jan 1st on the Scottsdale event as well..
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True, but I couldn't imagine that they would come out and plan a contest without feeling out the local scene.
I sent them an e-mail and will wait to hear back from them.
Big Announcement planned for Jan 1st on the Scottsdale event as well..
looking at my calendar, is Jan 02, did I miss the big announcement?
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True, but I couldn't imagine that they would come out and plan a contest without feeling out the local scene.
I sent them an e-mail and will wait to hear back from them.
Yea unfortunately I could imagine
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Nope, nothing is planned or confirmed as of yet. They supposedly are in talks, but nothing is solid from what I have been told.
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True, but I couldn't imagine that they would come out and plan a contest without feeling out the local scene.
I sent them an e-mail and will wait to hear back from them.
Big Announcement planned for Jan 1st on the Scottsdale event as well..
What was the big announcement? I think that's to what Wes was referring...I don't recall anything new on the Scottsdale event.
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That the event was now $20,000 instead of $5000. That was the announcement..
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anything else regarding scottsdale?
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Quote from Ron Cates today on Ray Basso's Forum:
"The other event is Phoenix. We're in the process of cofirming the date
hope to have that soon."
Maybe this will be November.
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I doubt it, we already have the Pulte one locked in for that date with KCBS...
I would be really surprised if they tried to do an event here without contacting us first..
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Finally heard from Ron Cates on this event. It looks like he is going to be bringing this event here even though it's on the same weekend as our Annual Pulte cook-off.
As you can imagine, I have some very strong feelings about this, specifically about how unprofessional it is for another Promoter to come into our area without checking to see what we have planned and how to make it work.
Since KCBS won't sanction 2 events in the same town on the same weekend, they are going with their own sanctioning and not KCBS. (Supposedly)
This is a one time event, Pulte will be a 4th Annual. If we let them come in here, it WILL affect our relationship with Pulte and with all of our events. If our events & Sponsors don't think we will be loyal to them, we won't be able to get anyone to sponsor or put on these events.
Needless to say, I don't think this will be good for the company they are representing as I think the media backlash would far outweigh the benefit to them, but I guess we shall see how it all pans out.
Hope for the best, I know I am..
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Hey Mike
What weekend is the pulte event. I need to plan seeing as I work weekends and I would like to make Pulte my 1st comp.
Thanks
Matt ;D
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It's November 12th & 13th this year..
Needless to say, Pulte is not happy about this at all..
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Boy Ill bet there are not happy. For them to come here and think we dont do BBQ here is an insult. Im glad KCBS is sticking with us on this one I think they are setting themselves up for failure as most of the team should be at Pulte
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On no Mark, they know we do BBQ here. With all the National Attention we got last year, that's what is driving them to come here. They think they can roll in here, throw out a huge prize fund and all the teams will migrate to them. They have no ties to our club or to BBQ here in AZ, yet they want to reap the rewards of what we have worked so hard to accomplish.
It will be very interesting to see how it pans out.
I hope and Pray for the best as this could get real ugly real quick..
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I know what event VRM Pit Crew will be at on November 13th 2010. Gotta take care of those that take care of you. ;)
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Ronny Cates has been talking about doing his own thing sanctioning wise for months
There seems to be a problem working inside the system for his group
Just remember who puts together the whole year of contests and events for you
That makes it a easy choice
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Well, this is a part of a huge NASCAR/BBQ deal. For Arizona, they only have two dates to choose from to coincide with the race, that's obvious. I don't think there is gonna be any media backlash towards them. 95% of the media and the population don't even know we have bbq contests here.
I think alot of the 'big boys' will come out for the money and you can't blame them. If they get 50+ teams, they don't need a Governors proc to make it a qualifier for the Jack. The thing I see as a snag for them also is there won't be any TOY points for the KCBS run at the end of the year....but Pulte will have those TOY points. I wonder what they will use for judges and what system and who watches over to make sure it's done right. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Oh, btw, I think Arizona needs to concentrate more on getting more CBJ's trained also. Traveling for out of state judges in this economy is gonna be tough as they pay all their expenses. I think we all know someone who be willing to take the class and start their judging career.
I think 99% percent of the teams in Arizona will do Pulte so I don't think the contest is in any sort of jeopardy. Pulte has been a great sponsor and hopefully... for years to come. I know I will be there.
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I know I will be at Pulte this year,wouldn't have it any other way ;)
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This will be my 3rd year judging at Pulte, Dad will also be there...hell by then I can probably bring two other CBJs...and If I remember correctly Pulte has always been very high percentage CBJ anyways. If the KCBS TOY runs like it did (we can hope) then teams will be looking for all the points they can get!
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Jay, I agree. With the Havasu CBJ Class and the one we are planning at Pulte again this year, I think we will have a great group of CBJ's here in the valley for a long time.
2010 is going to be a great year out here for us and hopefully this event doesn't damper it.
As for the media backlash Jay, Pulte has some very big pull here in the valley and around the nation not to mention the power of the pen. Heck, look what it did for Bubba Keg and that was only a handful of people and only took 1 day.
Like I said, I hope it all works out. We would absolutely love to do something with NASCAR here in town. Why they plan something with out contacting the local club and seeing what the local event calendar looks like is beyond me.
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Dam them :mad: We will be at Pulte!
Ken
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Glad to hear about the CBJ classes. That is something that needs to be 'kept up with'. As the sport grows in Arizona, you can never have too many CBJ's.
The NASCAR thing is a nationwide deal and is gonna be very huge in the future (I think anyway). This is NASCAR not PIR. I was there for my first NASCAR race ever in November. What an unbelievable exposure to the masses a contest would be there....unreal. The vending would be astronomical.
If this is a one time deal then not to worry. If it grows to an annual event then the Pulte event might want to consider moving it's date. This would be good for the competitors here also. Hopefully you have communications with Ron Cates in the future to keep track of the progression of the NASCAR event. I will also keep my eyes and ears open for info in the future. This might also get your foot in the door if it is a one time deal. They might like what they see the first time and bring a real KCBS event in there.
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I think that the Nascar thing will be an anual event.I know it went over big last year at the tracks were it was held (at least from what I read)and that is why Nascar is expanding it this year.I think the racing and BBQ goes well together,just not at the same time as the Pulte event >:(
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That's the thing....the NASCAR bbq contest can't change it's dates.
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Mike,is it too late for Pulte to change their date this year ? I think it would be a bad thing to have 2 big events the same weekend even if one isn't sanctioned.I wonder how many teams Cates can get without being KCBS sanctioned and with another event the same weekend.I know some teams will go after the money,but just how many teams he can get is the question.
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Well, I'll tell you, I would absolutely love to do the NASCAR contest. I would love for everyone in Arizona to be able to do it. You also get tickets for the race on Sunday from what I hear. If the dates were different of course I would do both and both could be KCBS sanctioned. If they are at the same time I will do Pulte.
I just don't want anyone to think that these guys are just shoving us around, cause I don't think that's the case at all. This is just so big nationally and they obviously can't change the date. It's gonna happen on that date whether we like it or not.
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It is my opinion that vending will not be allowed at this event as Americrown holds contracts with NASCAR and/or PIR. Americrown invites nonprofit organizations in to staff their booths. Americrown supplies everything they need and the groups shares in the profits. I have been involve with several of these on the nonprofits group side and it is a quick way to earn some cash for your church or Charity group. 5,000 to 6,000 dollars in one weekend.
Mike this is why I asked you about the status of the club. I thought this might be an option for next years "Feed the Homeless" and "Adopt a Family" programs.
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Does anyone know the dates that are trying to get? Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday -- if it were the Sat/Sun that could make for a full weekend -- race starts at 1:15 PM
They could start turnin's at 10:30 and be through with the contest by 12:00 -- just saying
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They could get a promoter from California and the entry would be 1K or better --
good luck selling that in AZ
jim
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Does anyone know the dates that are trying to get? Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday -- if it were the Sat/Sun that could make for a full weekend -- race starts at 1:15 PM
They could start turnin's at 10:30 and be through with the contest by 12:00 -- just saying
He has not confirmed the days yet.
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They could get a promoter from California and the entry would be 1K or better --
good luck selling that in AZ
jim
Too Cheap More like $1500 ::)
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Yea he can go Sat Sun and get it sanctioned
There is one in Colorado happening the same way
A Fri Sat followed by a new Sat Sun
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Thom -- you've changed
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In talking with Pulte this week, they do not want to change the week they have held their contest on for the past 4 years.
They put a lot of money into it and it is their single biggest sales day of the year.
They should have tried to do it for April either this year or next. That event would have been easier to move.
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Thom -- you've changed
I hope so
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In talking with Pulte this week, they do not want to change the week they have held their contest on for the past 4 years.
They put a lot of money into it and it is their single biggest sales day of the year.
They should have tried to do it for April either this year or next. That event would have been easier to move.
Moving a NASCAR weekend?
Or I see going with the early season race date
This is going to happen more and more as the sport grows
Having a contest drop in the open week between my first two for 2010
has been a great deal of fun The same day protection KCBS provides to
Western Sates is great. In other areas they have doubled up contests and
really hurt established smaller money events
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I know they don't want to change the date.... but could they change the date. I mean can't they have their biggest sales day of the year a week earlier?
I'm just sayin. It would be awesome for the competitors if they could do both contests. Even teams from east of here would come out and do both contests. Pulte could be even bigger with bigger names! I'm just sayin.
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Is there anyway this could be a double weekend?
It would be crazy with the move but...............
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The problem you get into there is that do competitors have enough $$ to do both events. I don't think so. I know I couldn't pull off doing 2 events a week apart.
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The problem you get into there is that do competitors have enough $$ to do both events. I don't think so. I know I couldn't pull off doing 2 events a week apart.
Don't know about everybody, but at least give them the option. If someone here can't afford it they will just do Pulte. The big boys will stay for the second contest to get the biggest bang out of their gas money and driving time.
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And we could add chili and best booth and ......... oh wait that was two years ago
Sorry stagecoach fever ..................
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Sure would be a bunch of flyins
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As of now, that is not an option with Pulte..
I have to say that I agree with them. They have had that weekend for 4 years. It's not fair to them to have to move it.
I am going to remove this topic later today as it is not productive to what we have going on here at AZBarbeque and I don't want to promote an event we are not yet supporting. We have to keep our loyalities to those who have helped us get to where we are today. ;)
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Amen -- John Boy -- God Bless AZ
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I am going to remove this topic later today as it is not productive to what we have going on here at AZBarbeque and I don't want to promote an event we are not yet supporting. We have to keep our loyalities to those who have helped us get to where we are today. ;)
Mike, I hear what you are saying, but I would not remove the topic if I were you. Perhaps put it in some other forum (because you are correct, it has nothing to do with AZ Barbeque future events), but removing it and pretending it is not an issue is not the right or honest approach in my opinion.
As to the thought of getting Cates to move to Sunday turn in before the race .... that sounds like a giant pipe dream. I just can't envision big race day turn ins that start early and end an hour befoe the flag drops. It is more likely they'll proceed with a devil may care attitude ....
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Hey, it's your forum not ours. :(
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Hey, it's your forum not ours. :(
I don't think I have ever said it was, "My" forum.
But I do try to do what is in the best interest of the club and what we have worked for so many years to establish..
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I don't think I have ever said it was, "My" forum.
But I do try to do what is in the best interest of the club and what we have worked for so many years to establish..
No Mike you have always said it is ours. So why do we want to advertise for a competitor?
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Mike, I'm just throwing some thoughts and ideas out there. It's 10 months away and just putting something out there to think about. I thought I was participating in a productive conversation. If not...my bad. You do what you think is right.
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You know I always value your thoughts & Opinions Jay. Never would have gotten to where we are today without them.
Keep the conversation going for now and if at some point it does need to be moved off line, then we will do it.. ;)
My thoughts only were that by us discussing it, we were giving them more press than they deserved at this point. Down the road, that could be a different story. Hopefully..
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No Mike you have always said it is ours. So why do we want to advertise for a competitor?
This discussion is more of an advertisement for Pulte than anything. Look at the support being thrown there way despite a conflicting contest ....and that includes me.
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This discussion is more of an advertisement for Pulte than anything. Look at the support being thrown there way despite a conflicting contest ....and that includes me.
I agree with your statement Jay but I was thinking more along the line of the non local teams that might hear of both competitions from this board. I also believe that Pulte being sanctioned will draw more people to it especially if the race is as close as it was in 2009.
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I agree with your statement Jay but I was thinking more along the line of the non local teams that might hear of both competitions from this board. I also believe that Pulte being sanctioned will draw more people to it especially if the race is as close as it was in 2009.
Good point. But 2 ways to look at it. If it's not that close, then to the non local teams, 2 contests basically for the price of one(as far as travel goes) means more points to catch up to the leader. But this is something we can't predict either way 10 months out. But good point. That's what discussion is all about. Bringing ideas from different angles.
But I still think, no matter what the race brings, because the non local teams will come out for the money anyway, that they would stay for both contests. Especially with them being in Arizona for 10 days in November.
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From what I've read here, it sounds like this Smoke on the Water is looking to establish his own sanctioning body. He isn't going to care about going up against KCBS, to a certain point. He wants to break away. And he'd be more than happy to use the Arizona BBQ community to champion his aims.
Arizona teams not participating and keeping the KCBS exposure away from his event is in the best interest of what has been started in the past few years by Mike and many of this club's members.
You are in the process of establishing Arizona as a destination for quality competition. That focus should be directed on all in state competitions. As you move forward quality competition will draw sponsors, money and elevate local teams, while drawing the top teams from around the country.
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Well as an example, a team such as mine that is from New Mexico, if I were to travel the distance to Arizona and the entry fees were reasonable(read not stagecoach), then I would definitely entertain the idea of doing both events were they to be a week apart.
While I understand the loyalty for a four year event (rightfully so), I also understand the draw and power of NASCAR. And if both events are the same day and the price to compete is relatively the same, then the prize becomes a huge factor. And with the sponsors of NASCAR and their teams and the potential exposure for a bbq team to said sponsors will sway folks whether or not anyone likes it.
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I agree.... I think alot of teams would stay and do both contests...if that were the case.
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Wow, how did I miss this topic until now?
No doubt about it, if they fall on the same weekend our team competes at Pulte. Separate weekends, we would do both.
Talk about national exposure, I imagine this would give Pulte some major free advertising and pump up the event to greater heights. I am not sure what the advantage would be to Pulte if they stood fast on their date and had the contest on the same weekend.
As Jay said, NASCAR is not going to change the race weekend because of a BBQ contest, so why not use the huge draw of NASCAR to promote the Pulte event? They would end up drawing some major competitors for the event and sell a few more houses to NASCAR fans and in the process.
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In speaking with Pulte this past week. As of now, they are not changing the date. It's not just about them picking another date, it's more about the fact that their community calendar out at that site is very full and this is the week it has been slated for. They already have events scheduled the week before and after that they can't change as they are locked into them. This is what makes it so difficult..
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I am told Cates is going to his own sanctioning in a month
Count on two contests the same day :(
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Hey, don't worry about missing the nascar race.. drop by our booth at Pulte and catch it on our direct tv...
Reminds me of years ago when the Fiesta Bowl invited Notre Dame to play ASU and they ducked ASU stating it wasn't enough money... they just didn't want to get their A$$ whooped by the devils.. and the AD sent Notre Dame chickens... I can see the "Big Boys" going to NASCAR for the money.. because they sure shoot don't want to take the chances with AZ Boys... for less money... if you think about it.. at Pulte.. we had many top teams accross the country and our teams were right there with them..... and most of our teams don't compete as many times as they do......... so that says a lot about our state......
It would be cool to do NASCAR... but you can't buy loyality......... plus I can't even imagine trying to leave that place.. it would take days..lol
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In speaking with Pulte this past week. As of now, they are not changing the date. It's not just about them picking another date, it's more about the fact that their community calendar out at that site is very full and this is the week it has been slated for. They already have events scheduled the week before and after that they can't change as they are locked into them. This is what makes it so difficult..
What....Bingo and Shuffleboard Tournaments? :D
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LOL, probably..
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Perhaps the KCBS TOY points will figure in...hopefully!
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I am told Cates is going to his own sanctioning in a month
Count on two contests the same day :(
So he won't get the TOY chasers.
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He will get the $$$ chasers ;)
The ToY Guys will be at Pulte
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Does this fall into play --
No KCBS sanction, but 50 teams - could that get to be in the draw for the Jack?
KCBS -- IBCA -- MIM -- FBA sanctioning groups to the Jack -- what one more?
jim
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Here's my question...didn't Las Vegas try to do a $100,000 championship this past year? It wasn't sanctioned and had "celebrity" judges (which probably means their favorite ribs come from Applebee's). I don't recall anybody from around here going, how about anywhere else? That had a big money draw but did they get the teams?
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Does this fall into play --
No KCBS sanction, but 50 teams - could that get to be in the draw for the Jack?
KCBS -- IBCA -- MIM -- FBA sanctioning groups to the Jack -- what one more?
jim
50+ teams does not require a Governors proclamation, does qualify for the Jack, and does not have to be sanctioned by KCBS, IBCA or whoever. Just no TOY points.
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Here's my question...didn't Las Vegas try to do a $100,000 championship this past year? It wasn't sanctioned and had "celebrity" judges (which probably means their favorite ribs come from Applebee's). I don't recall anybody from around here going, how about anywhere else? That had a big money draw but did they get the teams?
I don't think that one made it...at least I haven't heard anything about it.
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Nope -- did not happen. If I remember right the entry form came out -- it was a joke full of mispshelled words and all.
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Nope -- did not happen. If I remember right the entry form came out -- it was a joke full of mispshelled words and all.
Did it not happen because they couldn't get enough people? Makes me wonder if the same thing might happen with this Smoke on the Water event. People like sanctioning bodies because it means that everyone has a fair chance.
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I don't think that one made it...at least I haven't heard anything about it.
They had it,but it was only like 7 or 8 teams,but I don't think the pay-out was what was originally advertised.If you Google it you can find some info about it and I even found 1 food review from a place called Urban Spoon that said it was terrible.I don't think they will have another one unless Arlie puts one together.
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Did it not happen because they couldn't get enough people? Makes me wonder if the same thing might happen with this Smoke on the Water event. People like sanctioning bodies because it means that everyone has a fair chance.
I think it is all in the promoter.From what I have heard, and read, Cates puts on quite a comp and thay have been really big,especially since they are in addition to the Nascar event.I don't think he will have trouble getting the teams,some will travel for that money.
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PHX will be BBQ Central that weekend
Wow a $100,000 in Vegas where do I sign up :'(
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vegas baby...... they probably had more.. but left it in vegas...... and Dean...... I saw you playing shuffle board around 2am at the last pulte........shuffleboard closet guy.........
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From Ron Cates ---
There's some confusion on our 2010 Schedule. It's posted on www.smokeonthewaterbbq.com. We have 4 NASCAR events scheduled. Daytona, Michigan, Talladega and Phoenix. Phoenix was scheduled originally scheduled for April, but we felt that was too soon, so we moved it to November. As of now, we don't have the details worked out but I'm going to meet with everybody in Daytona this weekend. We will be releasing that information once the contracts are signed. This will be the only year Phoenix will be in Novemeber. In 2011, it will move back to April since we would have a whole year to prepare. What's on the agenda is creating a TOY award with $20k split among top ten tens. The money has not been finalized, so this is speculation at this point. We're also in negotiations with Dallas Cowboys Stadium for a May or June event. This is going to be billed as the world's largest tailgate party with a substantial purse. Just another reason the 90 day rule needs to be looked at because we're at the mercy of the sponsor and can't pull the trigger until they approve everything. Also, if anybody has any questions or comments about Smoke on the Water productions, please feel free to go to our website and contact us direct. Would prefer a real name so we know who we're talking to. Easy to hide behind screen names.
and there it is ---