[SmoknAZ]

This discussion is more of an advertisement for Pulte than anything. Look at the support being thrown there way despite a conflicting contest ....and that includes me.

I agree with your statement Jay but I was thinking more along the line of the non local teams that might hear of both competitions from this board. I also believe that Pulte being sanctioned will draw more people to it especially if the race is as close as it was in 2009.

[Jaybird]

I agree with your statement Jay but I was thinking more along the line of the non local teams that might hear of both competitions from this board. I also believe that Pulte being sanctioned will draw more people to it especially if the race is as close as it was in 2009.

Good point. But 2 ways to look at it. If it's not that close, then to the non local teams, 2 contests basically for the price of one(as far as travel goes) means more points to catch up to the leader. But this is something we can't predict either way 10 months out. But good point. That's what discussion is all about. Bringing ideas from different angles.

But I still think, no matter what the race brings, because the non local teams will come out for the money anyway, that they would stay for both contests. Especially with them being in Arizona for 10 days in November.

[desert smokin]

From what I've read here, it sounds like this Smoke on the Water is looking to establish his own sanctioning body. He isn't going to care about going up against KCBS, to a certain point. He wants to break away. And he'd be more than happy to use the Arizona BBQ community to champion his aims.
Arizona teams not participating and keeping the KCBS exposure away from his event is in the best interest of what has been started in the past few years by Mike and many of this club's members.
You are in the process of establishing Arizona as a destination for quality competition. That focus should be directed on all in state competitions. As you move forward quality competition will draw sponsors, money and elevate local teams, while drawing the top teams from around the country.

[n2dabluebbq]

  Well as an example,  a team such as mine that is from New Mexico, if I were to travel the distance to Arizona and the entry fees were reasonable(read not stagecoach), then I would definitely entertain the idea of doing both events were they to be a week apart.
 While I understand the loyalty for a four year event (rightfully so), I also understand the draw and power of NASCAR. And if both events are the same day and the price to compete is relatively the same, then the prize becomes a huge factor. And with the sponsors of NASCAR and their teams and the potential exposure for a bbq team to said sponsors will sway folks whether or not anyone likes it.
 

[Jaybird]

I agree.... I think alot of teams would stay and do both contests...if that were the case.

[desertdog]

Wow, how did I miss this topic until now?

No doubt about it, if they fall on the same weekend our team competes at Pulte.  Separate weekends, we would do both. 

Talk about national exposure, I imagine this would give Pulte some major free advertising and pump up the event to greater heights.  I am not sure what the advantage would be to Pulte if they stood fast on their date and had the contest on the same weekend. 

As Jay said, NASCAR is not going to change the race weekend because of a BBQ contest, so why not use the huge draw of NASCAR to promote the Pulte event?  They would end up drawing some major competitors for the event and sell a few more houses to NASCAR fans and in the process.

[Mike (AZBarbeque)]

In speaking with Pulte this past week.  As of now, they are not changing the date.  It's not just about them picking another date, it's more about the fact that their community calendar out at that site is very full and this is the week it has been slated for.  They already have events scheduled the week before and after that they can't change as they are locked into them.  This is what makes it so difficult..

[Thom Emery]

I am told Cates is going to his own sanctioning in a month
Count on two contests the same day 

[force]

Hey, don't worry about missing the nascar race.. drop by our booth at Pulte and catch it on our direct tv...
Reminds me of years ago when the Fiesta Bowl invited Notre Dame to play ASU and they ducked ASU stating it wasn't enough money... they just didn't want to get their A$$ whooped by the devils.. and the AD sent Notre Dame chickens... I can see the "Big Boys" going to NASCAR for the money.. because they sure shoot don't want to take the chances with AZ Boys... for less money... if you think about it.. at Pulte.. we had many top teams accross the country and our teams were right there with them..... and most of our teams don't compete as many times as they do......... so that says a lot about our state......
It would be cool to do NASCAR... but you can't buy loyality......... plus I can't even imagine trying to leave that place.. it would take days..lol

[desertdog]

In speaking with Pulte this past week.  As of now, they are not changing the date.  It's not just about them picking another date, it's more about the fact that their community calendar out at that site is very full and this is the week it has been slated for.  They already have events scheduled the week before and after that they can't change as they are locked into them.  This is what makes it so difficult..

What....Bingo and Shuffleboard Tournaments? 

[Mike (AZBarbeque)]

LOL, probably..

[azkitch]

Perhaps the KCBS TOY points will figure in...hopefully!

[G$]

I am told Cates is going to his own sanctioning in a month
Count on two contests the same day 

So he won't get the TOY chasers.

[Thom Emery]

He will get the $$$ chasers 
The ToY Guys will be at Pulte

[jim]

Does this fall into play --
No KCBS sanction, but 50 teams - could that get to be in the draw for the Jack?
KCBS -- IBCA -- MIM -- FBA sanctioning groups to the Jack -- what one more?
jim