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Title: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 13, 2010, 12:46:16 pm
Well, now that we are done with our 2010 season, what, if any, changes would you like to see with this ToY & RoY race for 2011?

Some of the things asked this past year is once again about having out of state events count toward our race if the right criteria were met.

Also, about how many events count toward the final numbers

Also about having the smaller events like the Brisket & Rib Throwdowns count.

Sound off and let's see what your thoughts are..
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzScott on December 13, 2010, 12:57:37 pm
I'd recommend points based upon something other than how many teams one beats at a competition.  Basing points off of how many teams a team beats at a comp and using that for points is simple but it really puts a team at a disadvantage if they can't make a large competition for one reason or another.  It also affects rookies that start halfway through the season.  The option I like the best is % of field beaten at the competition.  Using % of field beaten would also create a fair system when the event may be BCS, KCBS, IBCA, or some local brisket challenge.  Using the % FB also creates incentive for teams to participate in smaller events as well as a local brisket / rib competition.  The 2010 point system does not.

Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Gizzy's Smokin Crew on December 13, 2010, 01:53:40 pm
I would like to see any of the smaller events count(like the brisket and rib ones). Those are the only type of events I can compete in. They are very similar to the big events but they give guys like me a chance to compete without having the big investment because of my job(I have to work most weekends)
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mark on December 13, 2010, 03:48:19 pm
I agree. The small events are fun, affordable and allows members without the big rigs to show their stuff. Maybe even a rub exchange. I also think a few more themed fun events might interest members. Much like Oktoberfest and the Super Bowl party, perhaps we can gather for Mardi Gras or a Cinco de Mayo get-together. Plus a Santa look-alike beard-growing contest for the next Holiday Party would be a natural for many of our members. ;)
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Weaponeer on December 13, 2010, 04:00:22 pm
I disagree with the small events being included in the ROY. Because once you enter a brisket cook-off you become ineligible for ROY the following year. I personally would like a shot at ROY if I were to spend the time and money to get a team going. Until then I would like to see how my stuff would dstack up against everyone elses.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mark on December 13, 2010, 04:52:37 pm
I'm sorry. I missread Mike's comment. My comments were based on events in general and what entertaining ones could be added to the calendar. I don't think winning a weenie roast should gain you any ground in the TOY race.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Paul on December 13, 2010, 05:10:39 pm
I think winning a weenie roast should get you weenie of the year honors :D
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzQer on December 13, 2010, 06:57:50 pm
I think the smaller events are very important, maybe there should be a I dont know maybe call it backyard team of the year for the smaller events. As was stated a lot of time and money go into getting TOY.
Just my .02 cents
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzScott on December 13, 2010, 07:57:01 pm
I think the smaller events are very important, maybe there should be a I dont know maybe call it backyard team of the year for the smaller events. As was stated a lot of time and money go into getting TOY.
Just my .02 cents

I was thinking about this after eating dinner tonight.  I also agree that small brisket / rib challenges should not count towards ROY or TOY.  Perhaps a Backyard TOY that would include the random mini contests and backyard contests at comps.  A comp doing 4 meats compared to turning in a brisket you cooked at home isn't the same.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Thom Emery on December 13, 2010, 08:44:06 pm
. I don't think winning a weenie roast should gain you any ground in the TOY race.


Thats funny LOL really
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: desertdog on December 14, 2010, 10:18:06 am

As far as the out of state comps go, I think that a contest would qualify if it had a certain number or % of Arizona teams signed up. 

Allowing out of state contests would be a win win for both states, getting additional teams to participate helps the out of state contest organizers, and increases the point totals for the AZ TOY and ROY, making more contests relevant.  The reason we did so well for this year's TOY is that we did really well at the well attended Lake Havasu event.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: big daddy on December 14, 2010, 09:26:09 pm
IF IT AINT BROKE......I THINK IT WORKS FINE AS IS SIMPLE,CLEAR, AND TO THE POINT!!!
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 14, 2010, 10:22:18 pm
Our normal procedure is events that wish to be a part of our Team of the Year race pay $500 plus one team entry for us to raffle off with proceeds going to one of our Club Supported Charities.

In 2010, we did not have any event pay, all of them said they wanted to see how it went and if it went well, they would certainly do it in 2011.  Well, now that 2011 is coming about, they are still not willing to pay.

The money ($500) is earmarked to go into a fund that is solely for our Team of the Year fund to cover trophies and hopefully, some sort of cash payout to the teams.

So, the question is, what events do we count toward our Team of the Year?  If we count all events that happen in Arizona, do we give added value to the events that support the club & the Team of the Year race as opposed to the ones that don't?

For Example, this year, all the teams who won Team of the Year for the overall as well as the individual categories had a great showing at the Havasu event.  In 2011, they have decided they do NOT want to be part of the Team of the Year race.  Do we exclude this event or do we count it, but at a lesser value than an event that does support the race?

Post up your thoughts..
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Crash on December 14, 2010, 11:21:53 pm
If $500 is too rich for a promoter's blood, I say exclude their event from the AZBBQ TOY race.  If promoters have no desire to pay a small fee to promote their event , why give them the opportunity to gain additional teams (and $). 

Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzQer on December 15, 2010, 07:00:55 am
I'm going to have to agree with crash here If a promoter wants to advertise there event there should be some cost to them. I know on the state to the west of us you have to be a business member I think to advertise an event
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Crash on December 15, 2010, 04:15:24 pm
It would be a bummer for any AZ event that has the potential to draw a lot of teams to not be a part of the AZ Barbeque TOY points chase. 

I know that I personally wont attend any event in AZ that is not a part of the TOY race.   :D ;) :D
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzScott on December 15, 2010, 09:18:10 pm
I agree with Crash.  What's good for BBQ is in the end good for AZ BBQ and BCS.  the more TOY events the better it is for BBQ.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 15, 2010, 09:37:35 pm
I think Crash was meaning that it would not make sense for these other events NOT to support the local BBQ Club & our Team of the Year race.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: glenntm on December 16, 2010, 06:08:37 am
In a perfect world it would be nice to have ALL Arizona events count towards the TOY standings...
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 06:36:16 am
I agree, but how do we do it so that the events that support the club & the Team of the Year race benefit?

Do we award more points to those that do?  Ultimately, it's up to the teams to make it known to the event promoters that they want the events to be a part of the race.  I can only do so much..

If an event, say like Havasu, were NOT a Team of the Year event, would it keep you from competing?  As a competitor, do you look to see if an event is a Team of the Year event when deciding?  If money were involved in the Team of the Year Race, would that make you look before signing up?  Just some questions so we can work at putting together the best, competitive race in 2011.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 16, 2010, 06:37:22 am
The problem with getting events to pay to support TOY/ROY is a simple one of leverage. If they feel there's no downside to not supporting it (ie: teams not attending etc) then why would they? I've got a feeling promoters see this as a tax of sorts that they see as taking money out of their pockets for no upside.
I think some of 'em also get a bit of a "kick" or power rush out of saying heck no, we don't care about TOY/ROY.
Remember, there is no real cost (to them) as far as I can tell if they blow it off.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: glenntm on December 16, 2010, 06:50:39 am
I hear ya Mike.  It not an easy position for anyone.  For me it really doesn't matter if it's a TOY event.  We want to compete in quality run event with lots of teams.  Last year almost all the AZ events were included in TOY. 

I don't have an answer for the problem.  Maybe you charge an entry fee for teams that want to be in the TOY race.  Nevada had a 3K purse for the TOY over there.  Not sure where the money came from.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Jaybird on December 16, 2010, 07:38:43 am
Due to the current situation between AzBarbeque and KCBS, I don't think any promoter that promotes a KCBS event can have anything to do with AzBarbeque whatsoever. So I think getting $2 or $500 from them is out of the question.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 08:11:17 am
Due to the current situation between AzBarbeque and KCBS, I don't think any promoter that promotes a KCBS event can have anything to do with AzBarbeque whatsoever. So I think getting $2 or $500 from them is out of the question.

From my understanding, that is incorrect.  KCBS will not sanction an event with us, but they have no say over if a promoter pays to advertise it on the site here or make it a points event.  KCBS controls sanctioning, that's it.  They are NOT the BBQ Police...  They have certainly gotten too big for their egos over there..

We still have several KCBS events that advertise/promote on here, so obviously that is not the case.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mrs. McFrankenboo on December 16, 2010, 09:28:08 am
TOY points have a little to do with which events you choose, but that's not what it's all about.  Just like with KCBS, not everyone is chasing the points, they want events that they know are run a certain way and that there will be no questions in the end.  As for money being involved, and this is where I address Jim Jones' stuff as well, there were 9 TOY events in AZ this year.  That should have been $4,500 that was brought in for that but none of the teams that won were awarded any of that so that money hasn't been involved right?  These contest have to pay out $500 plus a free entry? For what? What does the promotor of those events get out of making it a TOY event?  Not to be negative, but if they are putting money out there, what are getting in return?  I know that we aren't going to not go to a quality event in Arizona just because it's not a TOY points event, that would silly.  As for promotors getting a kick out of saying no or getting a rush out of it, we're adults, what would they really get a kick out of?  And how would that benefit them in the end?? They are promoting events and doing what they feel is best for their event, I'm pretty sure it's as simple at that. 


Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 09:42:27 am
Erin, I agree with you, the promoters are doing what is best for their events.

I would think what is best is to support & include the local BBQ Club, but I could be wrong.

Yes, we should have had $4500 in the account this year, but like I said, no one paid.  We basically gave all the events a Free pass this year with the intent that they would all pay from here on out.  We showed them the benefit of paying the money & donating the entry up front.

What their $500 gets them is a seperate section in our Upcoming Events section as well as a Banner ad in the rotation with a min of 500 impressions per month up until 30 days out, then it goes up to 2000 - 3000 impressions for that last month.  Remember, these are only minimum impressions.  The actuals are a lot higher.

The donated entry is basically used to help keep money coming in for our Charities all year long.  We always raffle it off on the site here and direct the money to one of our Charities.  

It is our goal to use the $500 for each Team of the Year event to create an actual prize fund for the Team of the Year race where the Top ?? Overall & in each category would win some cash back at the end of the year and also for it to help cover the cost of the trophies.  Up until now, this has all come out of my pocket.  We want the Team of the Year race to actually help pay for itself.  We are not trying to get rich on it or even make any money on it, it's all earmarked for the teams.

Remember, our site here is FREE thanks to our Sponsors/advertisers & the events that advertise on here.  The benefit is in helping to support the local club which hopefully they are a part of and to promote their event as best they can.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: glenntm on December 16, 2010, 10:01:25 am
Mike...Any insight into how they do it in California?  They seem to have all their events count towards TOY.  I'm not familiar with the system they have over there.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 16, 2010, 10:41:37 am
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TOY points have a little to do with which events you choose, but that's not what it's all about.  Just like with KCBS, not everyone is chasing the points, they want events that they know are run a certain way and that there will be no questions in the end.  As for money being involved, and this is where I address Jim Jones' stuff as well, there were 9 TOY events in AZ this year.  That should have been $4,500 that was brought in for that but none of the teams that won were awarded any of that so that money hasn't been involved right?  These contest have to pay out $500 plus a free entry? For what? What does the promotor of those events get out of making it a TOY event?  Not to be negative, but if they are putting money out there, what are getting in return?  I know that we aren't going to not go to a quality event in Arizona just because it's not a TOY points event, that would silly.  As for promotors getting a kick out of saying no or getting a rush out of it, we're adults, what would they really get a kick out of?  And how would that benefit them in the end?? They are promoting events and doing what they feel is best for their event, I'm pretty sure it's as simple at that.



Well, not for nothing but listening to a couple of promoters and hearing the response to the TOY cost thing a couple of times it sure seemed to me from the tone/content there was some emotional trips going on. Yes, we're supposedly all adults but age certainly doesn't dissuade the juvenal side from popping out from time to time otherwise you'd not see people happy at others misfortune right? Or are we so deluded that we think there aren't people out there happy that Mike/AZBBQ/us got smacked?

I agree with Mike, there is benefit to the TOY/ROY but it's not as tangible as losing teams if it's not a TOY event. I think it's very short sighted if the thinking is "all I get is some ad space" and we're advertising enough. IMO Having it listed on this site in a primary position generates a lot of buzz with the teams who then go out to other forums/friends and push the event thereby creating more entries and a positive spin to the events. I don't know how to make this a tangible thing but in relatively short time on this site I've seen it happen a couple of times. Personally I think $500 in the scope of what is made is a really small amount to pay out for all the good will it generates.

As for doing what's best for their events, I disagree. People tend to do what is in their best interest first, being it making money for their organization,themselves or choosing events to go to. Down on the list somewhere is how it affects others.
 I'm not saying it's a bad thing or wrong but it's the way the world seems to work.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 10:58:49 am
Personally I think $500 in the scope of what is made is a really small amount to pay out for all the good will it generates.

True, it also pays for itself right away as when an event sends in their $500, we instantly send out 3 registrations (AZBarbeque, Whiskey Ranch & Smoked to the Bone) which more than covers that cost.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 16, 2010, 11:19:20 am
True, it also pays for itself right away as when an event sends in their $500, we instantly send out 3 registrations (AZBarbeque, Whiskey Ranch & Smoked to the Bone) which more than covers that cost.
So depending on the entry fee it could actually be a net gain or at worst a wash when you add those teams in right?
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 11:24:27 am
Correct..
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 16, 2010, 11:48:47 am
So if it's a net gain/wash to make it TOY then other than feelings what would stop someone from doing it (since there's no net cost)?
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: G$ on December 16, 2010, 12:52:46 pm
So if it's a net gain/wash to make it TOY then other than feelings what would stop someone from doing it (since there's no net cost)?

I assume you guys understand that paying $500 and then getting $500 in team entry fees does not neccesarily make it a wash, right?  That was rhetorical I guess.  I know you guys know this.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 01:01:53 pm
We do understand it's not a wash, rather it shows the value in making it part of our points race.

Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzScott on December 16, 2010, 01:11:12 pm
Mike is it better to just do a BCS championship?  That way you aren't dealing with KCBS, other promoters, etc.  This whole thing has a ton of politics going on and if it were just BCS you eliminate additional politics, worrying about KCBS and IBCA, and out of state events.  I know that us competitors only really want to compete in a well run event sanctioned by a sanctioning body we trust.  If you have a BCS TOY and ROY then I think most everyone would be satisfied.  If an outside promoter sees value in trying to be part of the TOY / ROY well then they can be sanctioned by BCS.  AZ Barbecue for all intensive purposes is now BCS.  AZ BBQ (Mike and Tommy) isn't a BBQ group that brings contests to AZ sanctioned by KCBS or IBCA anymore.  Run 100% with the new sanctioning body and don't worry about the rest.  We are all behind you and support what you do for bbq.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: jim on December 16, 2010, 01:18:28 pm
Rocky Mt BBQA -- Cup -- $250.00
Average contest $200.00
Average payout -- $8000.00
Contests signed up -- 95%
Average Americans charging a fair price to play the game --
And yes at the end of the year they hand out awards and $$$$
jim
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: glenntm on December 16, 2010, 01:27:37 pm
Why not have people sign up for the TOY race.  Charge an entry fee and use that for prize money and awards at the end of the year.  Maybe even get a TOY sponsor, and the race is named after them. 

If you don't want to be in the running don't enter the race. 
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 01:34:29 pm
That's why we are trying to get feedback Scott.  We actually have a few events currently sanctioned by other sanctioning bodies that want to be a part of our Points Race.  We also have out of State events that have expressed interest as well.  Trying to put the best race we can out there that helps draw the most teams.  We had 145 Teams compete in the race this year, pretty impressive...

Tom, we are always looking for a sponsor for the Team of the Year race, but have not secured one yet...  Still hoping...
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mrs. McFrankenboo on December 16, 2010, 02:00:28 pm


Well, not for nothing but listening to a couple of promoters and hearing the response to the TOY cost thing a couple of times it sure seemed to me from the tone/content there was some emotional trips going on. Yes, we're supposedly all adults but age certainly doesn't dissuade the juvenal side from popping out from time to time otherwise you'd not see people happy at others misfortune right? Or are we so deluded that we think there aren't people out there happy that Mike/AZBBQ/us got smacked?


As for doing what's best for their events, I disagree. People tend to do what is in their best interest first, being it making money for their organization,themselves or choosing events to go to. Down on the list somewhere is how it affects others.
 I'm not saying it's a bad thing or wrong but it's the way the world seems to work.

To address the first part, since it's a new year, why don't we just forget the past and move on?  Of course you will have people that want others to fail, at some point everyone has been guilty of this in their life.  Whatever. Make the best of it and move on.  If they don't want to be a part of it, then so be it.  As for the second part, it's not always bad to think of yourself first.  For example, I don't want kids.  Should I have had them because my mother wants grandchildren?  Should I have thought of her first?  Sorry, but there are situations where you have to do what is right for you and I don't think that makes me a bad person.   Just because they don't want to be a part of the TOY doesn't mean they are bad people or selfish.  Also, if they don't want to be a part of it doesn't mean they want Mike to fail.  I am over all the politics and it's frustrating to listen to it and see the finger pointing.  Nobody wants to choose sides, we just want to be a part of great events in our own backyard.  Sorry to hijack the thread but I don't think just because you some crap has gone on the past means that everybody is in on it.  Start the new year off on the right foot and move forward.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 02:22:23 pm
I'm with you on it Erin, that's why I want to include all of them this year, but the question is, the events that DO want to support the club & the points race, do we offer more points?

We want it to be fair and I can't tell you how many times I heard this past year that if only Havasu had not counted and yes, it's true, not every team can make every event.  This year, it just worked out that those that did not make Havasu suffered because it was the largest comp.

I would suggest something like this.  All events in Arizona count toward the Team of the Year.  Events that support the Club & Points race have their points doubled.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions??
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Scottie on December 16, 2010, 02:46:28 pm
I'd keep it as simple as possible.  Your last example is simple.  I think a real good starting point. 
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: glenntm on December 16, 2010, 02:56:52 pm
Mike...Your last suggestion sounds very fair and easy to implement. 
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 16, 2010, 04:38:04 pm
To address the first part, since it's a new year, why don't we just forget the past and move on?  Of course you will have people that want others to fail, at some point everyone has been guilty of this in their life.  Whatever. Make the best of it and move on.  If they don't want to be a part of it, then so be it.  As for the second part, it's not always bad to think of yourself first.  For example, I don't want kids.  Should I have had them because my mother wants grandchildren?  Should I have thought of her first?  Sorry, but there are situations where you have to do what is right for you and I don't think that makes me a bad person.   Just because they don't want to be a part of the TOY doesn't mean they are bad people or selfish.  Also, if they don't want to be a part of it doesn't mean they want Mike to fail.  I am over all the politics and it's frustrating to listen to it and see the finger pointing.  Nobody wants to choose sides, we just want to be a part of great events in our own backyard.  Sorry to hijack the thread but I don't think just because you some crap has gone on the past means that everybody is in on it.  Start the new year off on the right foot and move forward.
Not pointing fingers or saying anyone is a bad person, Just stating the logical reality of the situation. Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough in my last post.
I'm all for moving on, so in that vein...... moving on.... ;)
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Smoke'N Phoenicians BBQ on December 16, 2010, 09:07:12 pm
? what is the deal with KCBS not ALLOWING AZ BBQ club to have events sanctioned events.... did they kick us out? I thought we were WANTING to start our own sanctioning body, I notice a lot of other states do the same thing so whats the deal? 
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 16, 2010, 09:09:21 pm
We are starting our own Sanctioning body.  We are just trying to figure out the Team of the Year for next year, do we count all events in AZ or just the ones we sanction.  Just getting feedback...
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Smoke'N Phoenicians BBQ on December 16, 2010, 09:40:29 pm
I guess it comes down to how many BCS events are gonna happen this year...  it would be nice to have the same amount of events this year as we had last... either way SmokeN' P's our in!
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 17, 2010, 07:26:18 am
We are starting our own Sanctioning body.  We are just trying to figure out the Team of the Year for next year, do we count all events in AZ or just the ones we sanction.  Just getting feedback...
So it seems to me that this all boils down to how to cover the cost of TOY/ROY without making it a 4-5 BCS only event chase. If you count all events for a fee and there's no compelling reason for the events to sign on then they won't and you'll have no one to share costs. If you count all events at no cost (to them) then BCS has to cover it totally and BCS has to get the $$ from somewhere right, or am I missing something?

This pickle sounds like something that was dealt with by the club last year and it confuses me as to where the debate is coming from now? I would like to direct your memory to the Queen Creek comp which in the beginning refused to be linked to AZBBQ triple crown. It was stated several times by teams that if it wasn't a T.C. event then many teams would not sign up and from my observation that's pretty much what happened. It turned into a T.C. event, teams started signing up and was a real,real nice comp right?

Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mrs. McFrankenboo on December 17, 2010, 08:16:06 am
The reason people had issues with Queen Creek was because we didn't have any information.  In that past, all events in Arizona were pretty much through AZ Barbeque so when a new one popped up on the grid and we had no info, people questioned it.  Until KCBS and Emily quelled all fears, of course we'll be leary.  Just like the MOntana competition, and where is that now?? 

We're getting off track here.  If you want to do this, do it.  Don't focus on those that don't want to be a part of it, focus on those that do.  If you are going to bring anyone else in, why not CA? Most teams seem to go back and forth between those 2 states.  If you want another state that wants to be a part of it, go with it.  Things in BBQ have changed everywhere so just embrace what's there.  I did like what Mike said about having extra points for an event that paid to be a part of it.  As Scottie said, make it simple.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: bbqphx.com on December 17, 2010, 06:51:52 pm
Rocky Mt BBQA -- Cup -- $250.00
Average contest $200.00
Average payout -- $8000.00
Contests signed up -- 95%
Average Americans charging a fair price to play the game --
And yes at the end of the year they hand out awards and $$$$
jim

Maybe something to think about lower cost per competition means more teams would be able to enter.  I'm just sayin'...
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: Mike (AZBarbeque) on December 17, 2010, 07:36:41 pm
Maybe something to think about lower cost per competition means more teams would be able to enter.  I'm just sayin'...

We don't control those for the most part, the event does.  If we were able to get more sponsors in to cover costs, that would be ideal.  If any of you know of companies interested in sponsoring these sorts of things, let us know, we would love to have a "FREE" BBQ Comp..
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AzQer on December 22, 2010, 07:15:29 am
I have been thinking about how to address this TOY and ROY of the year race for the new BCS. This is my .02 cents.
I think if the event is put on by the BCS or if the promoter of the event is willing to put money into the TOY, ROY  fund then it shall also be considered as part of the race. I think the idea of BCS team of the year means it was an endorsed by BCS event. So this means any other event shouldn't be considered for the TOY points. If we count all events then is it really a BCS team of the year.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AZWildcat on December 22, 2010, 11:35:21 am
For newer teams like ours we do not count on bringing any prize money home from a competition. We need to either sell people's choice or have a lower entry fee to make things worth while. Some of the more experienced teams I know plan on winning money which helps offset the competitions cost. Just don't forget that in order to attract new teams it helps to have lower entry fees and possible public interest. We all start at the bottom and start somewhere so maybe do things to try to attract new teams. When I have spoken with people who are interested in putting a team together entry fees remain the biggest obstacle. Just my 2 cents from the new guy.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: grizmt on December 23, 2010, 07:14:16 am
For newer teams like ours we do not count on bringing any prize money home from a competition. We need to either sell people's choice or have a lower entry fee to make things worth while. Some of the more experienced teams I know plan on winning money which helps offset the competitions cost. Just don't forget that in order to attract new teams it helps to have lower entry fees and possible public interest. We all start at the bottom and start somewhere so maybe do things to try to attract new teams. When I have spoken with people who are interested in putting a team together entry fees remain the biggest obstacle. Just my 2 cents from the new guy.
Very good point Dan, attracting new teams or simply helping a group of people who are on the fence about competing decide to dive in is good for everyone.
Title: Re: Changes for 2011
Post by: AZWildcat on December 23, 2010, 03:14:11 pm
Very good point Dan, attracting new teams or simply helping a group of people who are on the fence about competing decide to dive in is good for everyone.
we all know that if you can get a team to enter just once, they are screwed.....errr ....hooked forever!