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AZBarbeque Events => Triple Crown Team of Year Standings & Results => Topic started by: Crash on January 18, 2010, 11:03:49 pm
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Here are some thoughts about a new idea for 2010. Please comment.
2010 ROY
To be eligible for the Arizona Rookie of the Year (ROY), a team must be be led by a head cook that has not been a head cook at any sanctioned competition prior to January 1, 2010.
Head cooks must compete under the same team name to be eligible for the 2010 ROY race. In the event that a head cook opts to switch teams, he/she will then be competing under two separate ROY eligible teams. Points for the head cook will not be combined in this instance.
Head cooks must compete in a minimum of 2 contests to be eligible for the 2010 ROY. The top 3 contest scores for each head cook will count towards the 2010 ROY race.
In the event of a 2010 ROY tie, the tie breaker will be decided as follows:
First tie breaker - Brisket points total from top 3 2010 scores.
Second tie breaker (if needed) - Pork points total from top 3 2010 scores.
Third tie breaker (if needed) - Ribs points total from top 3 2010 scores.
Fourth tie breaker (if needed)- Chicken points total from top 3 2010 scores.
If any teams are still tied after all four tie breakers have been applied, a coin flip will determine the final winner.
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Looks Great Crash. Thanks for taking on this task and putting this together. Sounds like a great RoY this year.
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Does the head cook or team have to be from Arizona to be eligible for RoY? If not then if it should come down to a coin flip and one cook is from Arizona and the other not maybe it should go to the Az cook.
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I like Mike's previous idea of including teams in the 2010 ROY that didn't compete the whole year in 2009.
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I like Mike's previous idea of including teams in the 2010 ROY that didn't compete the whole year in 2009.
I agree Smitty. Maybe it should include teams that competed in less than 2 events in 2009.
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I agree Smitty. Maybe it should include teams that competed in less than 2 events in 2009.
It should include teams that didn't compete the whole year of 2009 no matter how many comps they did.
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It should include teams that didn't compete the whole year of 2009 no matter how many comps they did.
??? ??? ??? :question:
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It should include teams that didn't compete the whole year of 2009 no matter how many comps they did.
YOGI BERRA HAS JOINED OUR FORUM!
I could see allowing teams that first competed @ Tempe to be eligible. Then again, I can see the other side of the coin. Kinda like the KCBS 90 day thing...
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Gee, why do you feel so strongly about that Smitty? ;)
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??? ??? ??? :question:
What do you suggest Jay?
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Gee, why do you feel so strongly about that Smitty? ;)
I am just making a suggestion. Also this would benefit most of the teams that started around the same time in 2009 at the Prescott BBQ Comp or around Pulte time frame. If you just do teams that only competed in 1 event last year that will disqualify pretty much every Rookie team that started in 2009. It's just a suggestion - I don't make the rules!
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What do you suggest Jay?
Going back and rereading your statement. It can be taken in two different ways. My first impression was as Dave suggested....Yogi Berra in the house...."that didn't compete the whole year of 2009" .....suggesting 'a team that didn't compete at all in 2009 no matter how many comps they did'.....threw me off. Sorry
I have no personal suggestions for ROY. I'll stay out of that one. ;)
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Come on Jay, I was looking for some guidance from our seasoned competitors on this. Would love to hear the feedback.
We want to make it fair to everyone and make it fun. After all, that's what BBQ is all about.
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Rookies is Rookies
One or two late season cook off should not knock em out
But dang just like the 90 day rule ya got to have a line somewhere
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Anyone that received points in any Triple Crown Contest before the "Summer Break 2009" would be ineligible for RoY 2010.
In other words, if you competed in Prescott, Pulte or Tempe the last few months of 2009, you would still be considered a rookie, if you competed in any Triple Crown Contests in the early part of the year then you are no longer considerd a "rookie."
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First off, I dont have a pony in this race. Since I am not affected at all by what the ultimate decision is, here are my thoughts.
1) Keep it simple.
2) January 1, 2010 - December 31, 2010
3) Cooking at Prescott, Pulte and Tempe doesnt qualify you as a rookie team and makes it unfair to other new teams competing for the first time in 2010.
4) Keep it simple.
As much as it pains me to say this.....Thom is right. ;) There does need to be a line drawn somewhere.
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First off, I dont have a pony in this race. Since I am not affected at all by what the ultimate decision is, here are my thoughts.
1) Keep it simple.
2) January 1, 2010 - December 31, 2010
3) Cooking at Prescott, Pulte and Tempe doesnt qualify you as a rookie team and makes it unfair to other new teams competing for the first time in 2010.
4) Keep it simple.
As much as it pains me to say this.....Thom is right. ;) There does need to be a line drawn somewhere.
I agree...Let's keep it simple. If your saying you must compete in at least 2 event to qualify for the 2010 ROY I'm fine with that..but if you didn't compete in 2 events in 2009 why wouldn't you qualify to be a rookie in 2010?
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Since this is the Major Leagues of BBQ lets see how other Major Leagues define rookies:
In order to qualify for consideration for the Rookie of the Year award in MLB, a player must have accumulated, prior to the season under consideration:
Fewer than 130 at bats and 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues or Fewer than 45 days on the active rosters of Major League clubs.
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I agree...Let's keep it simple. If your saying you must compete in at least 2 event to qualify for the 2010 ROY I'm fine with that..but if you didn't compete in 2 events in 2009 why wouldn't you qualify to be a rookie in 2010?
I see your logic and it works for me. Just understand how other teams that have competed in 2 events might not view you as a "rookie".
The simplest way to do this is to start fresh in 2010. Just my opinion.
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I see your logic and it works for me. Just understand how other teams that have competed in 2 events might not view you as a "rookie".
The simplest way to do this is to start fresh in 2010. Just my opinion.
Either way we don't really care. For us we only competed in one event and had a great time. Looking forward to 2010 and everything Mike has scheduled. I'll make a side bet with Smitty to keep in interesting all year.
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I see your logic and it works for me. Just understand how other teams that have competed in 2 events might not view you as a "rookie".
The simplest way to do this is to start fresh in 2010. Just my opinion.
Trust me Crash if you tasted our Pork and Brisket at Tempe you would gladly grant us "Rookie Status". Not so good..
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Trust me Crash if you tasted our Pork and Brisket at Tempe you would gladly grant us "Rookie Status". Not so good..
That's funny stuff right there. :D :D
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Great discussion. Please continue to give your input.
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If you don't allow any activity as a head cook in the year preceding
You end up with Guys sitting out year end events waiting for the next years RoY
2 cook offs in the preceding year does not make you a old pro
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2 cook offs in the preceding year does not make you a old pro
No, but it does give you a tangible and distinct advantage over someone who has never competed. It really does. That first contest is pretty priceless, dontcha think? ROY should be on an even playing field. This is a simple one, snap the line for 2010 ROY somewhere. The simplest (and most logical) is JAN 1, 2010. If you want to snap the line at DEC 1 (or NOV 1) of 2009 to allow the "one or two contest" guys, well OK, but that is just a bit less elegant in my opinion.
My ONLY rational for thinking about supporting allowing the teams with minimal previous experience to be in the ROY race is to ensure there are enough teams to make it a race in the first place! But again, you start a slippery slope there.
Good viewpoints all around.
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Anyone that received points in any Triple Crown Contest before the "Summer Break 2009" would be ineligible for RoY 2010.
In other words, if you competed in Prescott, Pulte or Tempe the last few months of 2009, you would still be considered a rookie, if you competed in any Triple Crown Contests in the early part of the year then you are no longer considerd a "rookie."
I think Dean has a great suggestion.
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I'll make a side bet with Smitty to keep in interesting all year.
You are on Buddy!! Better get the Backwoods smoker broke in before Havasu!! Do you need an electrical outlet for that thing? :D
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I have seen em sandbag waiting for the next year
We do not have the long off season they do in
most of the country Its a year round sport here
But yea ya need ta SNAP a line :)
Having so many events in Nov and Dec as AZ does
Please consider allowing two
If it is "best two scores" a dedicated team could start cooking in
August and win the RoY
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If it is "best two scores" a dedicated team could start cooking in
August and win the RoY
And they'd deserve to, especially vs. a 'rookie' that's been cookinbg since October of the previous year..
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No, but it does give you a tangible and distinct advantage over someone who has never competed. It really does. That first contest is pretty priceless, dontcha think? ROY should be on an even playing field. This is a simple one, snap the line for 2010 ROY somewhere. The simplest (and most logical) is JAN 1, 2010. If you want to snap the line at DEC 1 (or NOV 1) of 2009 to allow the "one or two contest" guys, well OK, but that is just a bit less elegant in my opinion.
My ONLY rational for thinking about supporting allowing the teams with minimal previous experience to be in the ROY race is to ensure there are enough teams to make it a race in the first place! But again, you start a slippery slope there.
Good viewpoints all around.
Perfectly said. 100% agreed.
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And they'd deserve to, especially vs. a 'rookie' that's been cookinbg since October of the previous year..
If someone cooked in Oct, Nov, and Dec they would have qualified for the 2009 ROY. That should exclude them from the 2010 season. I'm talking about teams that cooked 1 event in 2009 and didn't qualify for ROY.
I really don't think cooking in one event gives anyone that big of a advantage.
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There was no 2009 ROY race. 2010 is the first time Arizona is doing a ROY race.
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Sounds like it is getting complicated.......
Jan. 1-Dec. 31, 2010....... Never competed prior to Jan. 1, 2010... compete as much as you want according to TOY guidelines during 2010... ROY team could also be TOY... Rookie of Year could be MVP in most leagues.... at the end of Dec. 31, 2010.. Rookie team with most points out of rookies.. ROY.... there u go
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I just hope there is a congeniality award... :) haha!
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I just hope there is a congeniality award... :) haha!
You're a shoe-in Chris!
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You're a shoe-in Chris!
He's a shoe-in for getting the most sleep at a competition award! :D
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He's a shoe-in for getting the most sleep at a competition award! :D
Not anymore... 5 Hour Energy is my new best friend. That wouldn't be a bad sponsor! ??? ???
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You could change your name to "Boot and LOOty" and make Chris the Pitmaster and Smitty...... Well you would be full time pit beeeeaaaattttcccchhhh!!!
That would be new team!! Who is this "ROY" anyway?
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You could change your name to "Boot and LOOty" and make Chris the Pitmaster and Smitty...... Well you would be full time pit beeeeaaaattttcccchhhh!!!
That would be new team!! Who is this "ROY" anyway?
Never gonna happen! Yeah - this ROY guy sure is complex!
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Come on Jay, I was looking for some guidance from our seasoned competitors on this. Would love to hear the feedback.
We want to make it fair to everyone and make it fun. After all, that's what BBQ is all about.
Sure, back date the award to 2009....
But seriously, I guess Dean has a pretty fair "line". But honestly and no offense to Loot n Booty, but 3 comps is probably not a "rookie" for 2010, in my opinion.
If I had 3 comps under my belt before I started, I would have eliminated a big part of the learning curve. Honestly, I would almost say anyone who started at Tempe - fall, would still be considered a rookie. Perhaps, Pulte.
If we want to go back to Prescott, that is fine as well. Not my concern in 2010.
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Sure, back date the award to 2009....
But seriously, I guess Dean has a pretty fair "line". But honestly and no offense to Loot n Booty, but 3 comps is probably not a "rookie" for 2010, in my opinion.
If I had 3 comps under my belt before I started, I would have eliminated a big part of the learning curve. Honestly, I would almost say anyone who started at Tempe - fall, would still be considered a rookie. Perhaps, Pulte.
If we want to go back to Prescott, that is fine as well. Not my concern in 2010.
So which is it? You say Dean has a pretty fair "line" which his "line" starts mid year 2009 and includes 3 competitions (Prescott, Pulte, and Tempe). Then you say 3 comps is probably not a rookie. If his "line" is fair to you it will include teams that competed in all three of those events as well as teams that only competed in one or two of them.
Let's make it simple - start fresh in 2010 and only include teams that have never competed before 2010. That is about as fair as you can get. I'm not worried about ROY - I'm going for TOY!!
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So which is it? You say Dean has a pretty fair "line" which his "line" starts mid year 2009 and includes 3 competitions (Prescott, Pulte, and Tempe). Then you say 3 comps is probably not a rookie. If his "line" is fair to you it will include teams that competed in all three of those events as well as teams that only competed in one of two of them.
Let's make it simple - start fresh in 2010 and only include teams that have never competed before 2010. That is about as fair as you can get. I'm not worried about ROY - I'm going for TOY!!
I concour... I haven't read this whole thread but was wondering why it would even be a question in the first place. Jan 1st through Dec. 31st... Simple.
Looking fwd to seeing yall in Havasu!!! It's going to be a great event!
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I concour... I haven't read this whole thread but was wondering why it would even be a question in the first place. Jan 1st through Dec. 31st... Simple.
Looking fwd to seeing yall in Havasu!!! It's going to be a great event!
I agree. In 2001 when I first started there was no ROY either..but we're not taking the 2010 ROY back to then.
Jan 1, 2010 to Dec. 31, 2010 gets my vote.
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Just my 2 cents
Because the rookie of the year is a new concept then let the teams that are going for it be new also. Starting this year, Jan 2010-Dec 2010.
With that being said I also wish there was a rookie of the year last year BUT there wasn't so Good luck to all the new teams that are going to compete for it. As a great UFC referee once said "Lets get it on"
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When does the TOY race start?? January 1. ROY should follow the same dates, otherwise it just gets confusing.
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So which is it? You say Dean has a pretty fair "line" which his "line" starts mid year 2009 and includes 3 competitions (Prescott, Pulte, and Tempe). Then you say 3 comps is probably not a rookie. If his "line" is fair to you it will include teams that competed in all three of those events as well as teams that only competed in one or two of them.
Let's make it simple - start fresh in 2010 and only include teams that have never competed before 2010. That is about as fair as you can get. I'm not worried about ROY - I'm going for TOY!!
I was thinking out loud, I can see both points of view. My "which" is irrelevant.
Looks like its working itself out.
I plan on not finishing DAL and have no other expectations.
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I think I said that.... jan 1- dec 31, 2010.. never competed before...... simple
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Official Rules posted. Good Luck to all teams involved..
http://www.azbarbeque.com/forums/standings-and-results/2010-rookie-of-the-year-contest-%28roy%29/
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OK silly question, What are the four events to qualify for ROY.
Does the Whiskey River Rib throwndown count?
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I'm going to venture to say the Chandler Throwdown, Arizona Barbeque Festival in Scottsdale, Prescott event, Pulte and BBQ Island.
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Does the Whiskey River Rib throwndown count?
Negative!
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and the ROY award goes to>>>>>>>>>
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"To be eligible for the Arizona Rookie of the Year (ROY), a team must be be led by a head cook that has not been a head cook at any sanctioned competition prior to January 1, 2010."
If we've only competed once in 2009 can we just switch our "head cook" and still be eligible for RoY? I don't want to seem like we're trying to cheat but as many others... I feel were still rookies.
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OK silly question, What are the four events to qualify for ROY?
You only need to enter two events to qualify for the 2010 ROY. Scores from a team's top three events will be used to determine the winner.
Basically, doing two events gets your name in the race. Realistically, three events betters a teams chances at winning.
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:lamp: What if I switch the name to Boot N' Looty and I'm the head cook for 2010... does that count? :D :angel: JK...
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"To be eligible for the Arizona Rookie of the Year (ROY), a team must be be led by a head cook that has not been a head cook at any sanctioned competition prior to January 1, 2010."
If we've only competed once in 2009 can we just switch our "head cook" and still be eligible for RoY? I don't want to seem like we're trying to cheat but as many others... I feel were still rookies.
Technically, yes! You should have no problem doing this, it's well within the rules.
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:lamp: What if I switch the name to Boot N' Looty and I'm the head cook for 2010... does that count? :D :angel: JK...
Technically, yes...... but I dont think any of the other teams are worried, concerned or even afraid. ;) :D
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Whoever gets the $$$ is the Head cook.. ;D ;D
The events that count are the ones that we list as "Official" AZBarbeque Triple Crown events. Right now, on the schedule are Havasu, Chandler, Scottsdale, Prescott & Pulte.
We have another 3 we are also currently working on..
Good Luck!!
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What teams are competing for the 2010 ROY? I know I see some team names that I dont recognize competing out at Havasu.
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I'm going for ROY. I'll be at Havasu, Chandler and Scottsdale for sure. After that I hope to do 2 or 3 more, but we'll see as the year unfolds. I also plan on going home to compete in the American Royal if I can talk myself into the drive.
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I'm going for ROY. I'll be at Havasu, Chandler and Scottsdale for sure. After that I hope to do 2 or 3 more, but we'll see as the year unfolds. I also plan on going home to compete in the American Royal if I can talk myself into the drive.
Good to hear that you'll be competing a lot this year......what is your team name? Best of luck to you out at Havasu, it's going to be a good start to 2010.
Good luck in the 2010 ROY chase.
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That's awesome to hear. Good luck and if you do make it out to the Royal, hopefully I will be there to cheer you on.. ;)
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I'm going for ROY. I'll be at Havasu, Chandler and Scottsdale for sure. After that I hope to do 2 or 3 more, but we'll see as the year unfolds. I also plan on going home to compete in the American Royal if I can talk myself into the drive.
Roger - hopefully I will be at the Royal also. My companies annual employee BBQ Comp. is April 30 - May 1st in KC on the grounds of the American Royal. The Grand Champ from the event gets a paid entrance into the American Royal Competition in October. ;D
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Crash-I'm competing with my catering name "The Good Times BBQ Company"
Mike & Smitty-Hopefully I'll see you guys there...I've been in Phx now for 15 years and haven't been back to the Royal since, so It's like a return to Mecca for me!