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Re-igniting (HAHA) the age old debate--used drums

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azkitch

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Yes, I'm gonna try mine on it, but it doesn't fit my other UDS...I'm anticipating... I'm also going to try my current UDS' lid...
How d'ya adjust the fit on them thangs, anyway!!? My UDS lid doesn't quite fit. I'm not sure if the barrel isn't round any longer, or if the lid is a fraction too small. I was trying to bend the channel of the lid outward, and it seemed to fit a bit better...
#18 - September 16, 2011, 02:33:43 pm
« Last Edit: September 16, 2011, 02:35:20 pm by azkitch »
CBJ # 53779
For cooking, lower and slower. For spices, mo' hotter, mo' better. Habaneros rule!

skou

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Dave, Weber kettle lid.

Find a used kettle off of CL.

steve
#17 - September 16, 2011, 11:30:35 am
Currently cooking with a newly built UDS,(thanks to Skouson, my brother) which is my current best smoker.  I've also got a Weber Performer, also from Sterling.  My brothers think I'm CRAZY.  (Strangely, they're right.)

azkitch

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Great responses, guys. I appreciate it. Now on with the cleaning and burning. But I've got to finger out a lid for the thing...

And Maker's Mark is my current favorite ethanol. I've been told by friend to try Buffalo Trace. I can't find it in smaller sizes yet...
#16 - September 16, 2011, 08:10:03 am
CBJ # 53779
For cooking, lower and slower. For spices, mo' hotter, mo' better. Habaneros rule!

skou

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Blame Kitch, he wanted a chemist. ??? I am sitting here with my rum and coke. The good alcohol.

Is there a "bad" ethanol?

Didn't think so.

WildCat, I'm drinking your beer.  Well, I was, 3 hours ago.  Now I'm on my #3 (or so!) :D

steve
#15 - September 15, 2011, 10:41:52 pm
Currently cooking with a newly built UDS,(thanks to Skouson, my brother) which is my current best smoker.  I've also got a Weber Performer, also from Sterling.  My brothers think I'm CRAZY.  (Strangely, they're right.)

skou

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I forgot to mention... 8) Check out the chemical composition of smoke and leachates from metal become the least of your worries.  >:D

http://burningissues.org/table2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke


OK, I followed the Wikipedia link, and got distracted.  (Ooh, SQUIRREL!!)  Ended up at a link about "Magic Smoke."

THANKS! Doug!! :D

Seriously Doug, PM Sterling here.  He gets drums in all the time, and likes to help other Smokers out.  Goes by the moniker "Skouson" here.  (Our last name, and my handle is close.)

steve
#14 - September 15, 2011, 10:36:46 pm
Currently cooking with a newly built UDS,(thanks to Skouson, my brother) which is my current best smoker.  I've also got a Weber Performer, also from Sterling.  My brothers think I'm CRAZY.  (Strangely, they're right.)

z98dog

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Blame Kitch, he wanted a chemist. ??? I am sitting here with my rum and coke. The good alcohol.
#13 - September 15, 2011, 10:26:21 pm
Brinkman Vertical - NBBD offset Horizonal - Custom cold smoke generator - Kingsford Oval Kettle - Pitmaster iQue 110 stoker - Weber OTS Kettle - Customized gas Pizza grill - Mini WSM-style smoker - UDS

AZWildcat

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Damn Doug...I have no idea what you just wrote. My head is spinning and I need a beer!
#12 - September 15, 2011, 09:58:39 pm
2 UDS's-Stoked
2 WSM's-Stoked
BWS Party-Stoked
22.5 Kettle to burn burgers and steaks.

Be kind, polite and courteous to everyone you meet, and ALWAYS have a plan to kill them.

z98dog

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I forgot to mention... 8) Check out the chemical composition of smoke and leachates from metal become the least of your worries.  >:D

http://burningissues.org/table2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke
#11 - September 15, 2011, 07:44:37 pm
Brinkman Vertical - NBBD offset Horizonal - Custom cold smoke generator - Kingsford Oval Kettle - Pitmaster iQue 110 stoker - Weber OTS Kettle - Customized gas Pizza grill - Mini WSM-style smoker - UDS

z98dog

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Well, Kitch asked for a chemist, here I am. :angel:

Propylene Glycol is the main chemical in most new antifreeze and here is the scoop from Wikipedia (there are no other Academic types around, right?)

HumansThe acute oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to cause perceptible health damage in humans; propylene glycol is metabolized in the human body into pyruvic acid (a normal part of the glucose-metabolism process, readily converted to energy), acetic acid (handled by ethanol-metabolism), lactic acid (a normal acid generally abundant during digestion),[11] and propionaldehyde.[12][13] Serious toxicity generally occurs only at plasma concentrations over 1 g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time.[14] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 g/kg of PG. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are usually related to either inappropriate intravenous administration or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children

Here is the link if anyone wants to check out the references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

That being said, I would not recommend drinking it.

Old antifreeze was made using a similar compound, ethylene glycol. It can become toxic if you drink enough of it.

ToxicityMain article: ethylene glycol poisoning
Ethylene glycol is moderately toxic with an oral LDLO = 786 mg/kg for humans.[6] The major danger is due to its sweet taste. Because of that, children and animals are more inclined to consume large quantities of it than of other poisons. Upon ingestion, ethylene glycol is oxidized to glycolic acid which is, in turn, oxidized to oxalic acid, which is toxic. It and its toxic byproducts first affect the central nervous system, then the heart, and finally the kidneys. Ingestion of sufficient amounts can be fatal if untreated.[7]

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol

I would feel safe eating from a UDS made using a drum that used to hold antifreeze.  I would be a little more concerned about oil, what with all the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH's), but those burn. I am pretty sure the glycols burn too. They are alcohols. (just not the fun kind like ethanol :police:)A good burn or two should do it to the point that anything leaching out of the metal will be in the part per trillion range.

Sterling, got any extra drums? A UDS is in my future plans after I finish up my current project...a mini WSM type smoker using a tabletop grill and an Aluminum tamale pot. Should have that cooking a fattie this weekend. I will try to take pictures.
#10 - September 15, 2011, 07:33:36 pm
Brinkman Vertical - NBBD offset Horizonal - Custom cold smoke generator - Kingsford Oval Kettle - Pitmaster iQue 110 stoker - Weber OTS Kettle - Customized gas Pizza grill - Mini WSM-style smoker - UDS

Gizzy's Smokin Crew

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Congrats Dave......4000 POSTS........WOW Thats alot of talking ;D
#9 - September 15, 2011, 11:43:53 am
Gizzy's Q'N Crew......"FANG" Tastic BBQ
Brinkman Pitmaster Deluxe
Weber Genesis Gas Grill

AZWildcat

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True Dave, and congrats on the 4000th post. YOU THE MAN!
#8 - September 15, 2011, 11:10:34 am
2 UDS's-Stoked
2 WSM's-Stoked
BWS Party-Stoked
22.5 Kettle to burn burgers and steaks.

Be kind, polite and courteous to everyone you meet, and ALWAYS have a plan to kill them.

azkitch

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and have $55...

I would if I could, but I can't so I won't. Not to mention that DW would have my head!
#7 - September 15, 2011, 10:37:39 am
CBJ # 53779
For cooking, lower and slower. For spices, mo' hotter, mo' better. Habaneros rule!

AZWildcat

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I get my drums brand new at southwest container.    The paint holds up well to smoking temperatures and there is no liner to scrape out or anything to have to burn. Complete with a lid and ring for around 55 dollars, its well worth it if you live in the Phoenix or Tucson area.
#6 - September 15, 2011, 07:39:52 am
« Last Edit: September 15, 2011, 11:03:53 am by AZWildcat »
2 UDS's-Stoked
2 WSM's-Stoked
BWS Party-Stoked
22.5 Kettle to burn burgers and steaks.

Be kind, polite and courteous to everyone you meet, and ALWAYS have a plan to kill them.

PAT YOUNG

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Just my 2 cents- metal is porous!!!!
#5 - September 15, 2011, 02:35:09 am

skou

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Dave, Sterling and I have been using antifreeze drums for 2 or 3 years now, with NO problems.  He works for a school district, in the transportation departmen, and as such he has access to used drums with antifreeze or oil in them.

We wash them out with Dawn, and do a SERIOUS burn-out.  He's done over 30, and I've got my second one.  No issues, you can't even smell anything.

Oh, antifreeze (both kinds) break down at about 400 degrees F.

steve
#4 - September 15, 2011, 12:04:03 am
Currently cooking with a newly built UDS,(thanks to Skouson, my brother) which is my current best smoker.  I've also got a Weber Performer, also from Sterling.  My brothers think I'm CRAZY.  (Strangely, they're right.)

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