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Twiddlebugz

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I want to congratulate all the the teams that got calls.  It was a strong field of teams for sure.  Super congrats to Straw Sticks and Bricks BBQ...what a power house with 2 stong teams joining forces.  Concentrating all your efforts on one meat per person definitely was a great plan. 

I guess I need to take a BCS judging class to find out what they are looking for. 
#1 - November 01, 2011, 11:00:53 am
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I guess I need to take a BCS judging class to find out what they are looking for.

Me too.....apparently im clueless.
#2 - November 01, 2011, 02:00:43 pm
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I guess I need to take a BCS judging class to find out what they are looking for. 

Amen to that.
#3 - November 01, 2011, 02:25:34 pm
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#4 - November 01, 2011, 02:31:58 pm

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I second that motion
#5 - November 01, 2011, 03:06:48 pm

Mike P in Tucson

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Count me in on that sentiment.

BTW,  were all the judges certified?
#6 - November 01, 2011, 04:08:08 pm
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Good BBQ is good BBQ guys. :P  I kid I kid.  I've heard the horror stories.

#7 - November 01, 2011, 05:00:18 pm
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I may be reading into things, but it looks as if y'all weren't too pleased with the judging.   :mad: 
#8 - November 01, 2011, 05:11:19 pm

Mike (AZBarbeque)

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We had about 80% certified.

The thing with the judging is that everyone had to go through the same judging, so by saying the judging was off is saying that the teams who did well didn't deserve it.

If you look at the overall standings, it pretty much shapes up like any other comp.

At every event we have ever done, the teams who do well thought everything ran great, the teams who didn't say the judging was off.  Either way, all the teams had to endure the same judging.

Yes, I do think the Judges were tough at this event, but it was across the board, not just one or two judges.  Each team's turn in went to different tables each time as well, so one set of judges did not judge all 4 categories for a team.

#9 - November 01, 2011, 06:17:10 pm
Michael J. Reimann
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RudedoggAZ

We had about 80% certified.

The thing with the judging is that everyone had to go through the same judging, so by saying the judging was off is saying that the teams who did well didn't deserve it.

If you look at the overall standings, it pretty much shapes up like any other comp.

At every event we have ever done, the teams who do well thought everything ran great, the teams who didn't say the judging was off.  Either way, all the teams had to endure the same judging.

Yes, I do think the Judges were tough at this event, but it was across the board, not just one or two judges.  Each team's turn in went to different tables each time as well, so one set of judges did not judge all 4 categories for a team.



I'm not saying that the teams who did well don't deserve it but with all due respect, I disagree. How many of the 80% certified were first time? Scores were all over the place and personally I have turned in worse and have never received 5's like that. Just inconsistent that's all. Remember, I said with all do respect :) it was a good comp Mike! Just a bit taken back by the scores.
#10 - November 01, 2011, 06:44:28 pm

Twiddlebugz

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Holy cow guys...didn't mean to stir things up.  Really.   :-[
Before we even participated in our first contest, we took the KCBS judging course to figure out what judges would be looking for.  I think it helped us, and think it was a smart move to make.    
Yes, we did finish lower than we expected...and yes, I had a hard time dealing with it this time around.   :'(  I do think the judges were particularly rough on the teams.  What got me is the fact that scores could be 5 points apart on the same meat.  
I just think it would add insight to what I need to work on if I took a judging course for BCS.  Nothing more intended than that.
I will point out that I've noticed that when a judging class is offered just before a large event there are a lot of first time judges in the tent...no matter where the event is or who puts it on.  
I do want to say Mike puts his heart and soul into his events and it shows.  :exclaim: He does a fantastic job, is available on sight, and works to make the teams happy.  I really appreciate what he does for BBQ.
#11 - November 01, 2011, 06:51:17 pm
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Mike (AZBarbeque)

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I'm not saying that the teams who did well don't deserve it but with all due respect, I disagree. How many of the 80% certified were first time? Scores were all over the place and personally I have turned in worse and have never received 5's like that. Just inconsistent that's all. Remember, I said with all do respect :) it was a good comp Mike! Just a bit taken back by the scores.

The New Judges were actually the ones giving the good scores.  The Majority of the lower scores were coming from the "Seasoned" CBJ's.  Don't know why that is, but it was something we noticed almost immediately.

But still, all the teams had to go through the same judging.  It's like looking at the Sam's Club event, the scores from the Bottom teams would win GC's at most comps, the judges were just being very generous, but they were across the board, so it all balanced out just like I truly believe it did here.  You might not like or agree with your scores, but the results were pretty consistent.  

We are growing & each event will get better & more consistent.  We are striving for 100% BCS Judges by the middle of next year at our events.  Our goal is to have 4 - 8 of the 4 meat events next year and do at least 2 Judging classes.  By then, we should have enough BCS Certified Judges for the scoring to be completely consistent.
#12 - November 01, 2011, 06:52:07 pm
Michael J. Reimann
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If God wanted us to be Vegetarians, why did he make animals out of meat??

Mike (AZBarbeque)

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We also HIGHLY Recommend all the Head Cooks at a minimum take the BCS Judging class as well so you all can see & hear exactly what is taught to the Judges..  ;)  ;)

Heck, even come out & judge an event to get the full experience.  I've done it 3 times and let me tell you, judging has really opened my eyes to quite a bit of the vast differences in the way teams cook BBQ.
#13 - November 01, 2011, 06:54:08 pm
Michael J. Reimann
Realtor - Clients First Realty (Real Job) - www.TheReimannWay.com
Owner/President - AZBarbeque - #1 BBQ Club in Arizona
Owner/Pitmaster - AZBarbeque Catering - www.AZBarbequeCatering.com

If God wanted us to be Vegetarians, why did he make animals out of meat??

RudedoggAZ

As always, it was a great comp Mike!
#14 - November 01, 2011, 07:04:55 pm

Trailhound

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Hey Mike first off awesome event as always.
Was there any comment cards and if so are we going to get them?
I feel if you get scored a 5 or even a 6 there should be a comment card telling us why?

Can I ask was there any judges pulled to the side and talk to about their low scoring like I have seen done at other contests?

As much as some of us complain we all still love you and what you do for our sport and look forward to your next event.

#15 - November 01, 2011, 07:14:01 pm
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